CENTAUR 30Harold Reid Fisher, CPT Aerorifles PLT CDR/D Troop XO Jan 1967-Dec 1967 Constantly updates the weapons squad leader on the round count and serviceability of the medium machine gun. In peacetime, some military stations will use fixed call signs in the international series. Nuptial Call Sign 60th Field Artillery Battalion (behind the pole on the left). CENTAUR 11Richard Schwab, CW2 OH-6A Pilot Jan 1972-Mar 1972 If you start at Squadron level (Cavalry ) 6th Regiment 3rd Squadron . The unit would often have either an official or unofficial nickname , 3/6 is Controls the movement of his team and its rate and distribution of fire. CENTAUR 15Mackie A. Webb, CW2 OH-23G Scout Pilot Jun 1967-Jun 1968 CENTAUR 3William V. Chiaramonte, CPT OPS OFF & AH-1G PLT LDR Dec 1968-Dec 1969 Military call signs are call signs assigned as unique identifiers to military communications. Be able to engage targets from the prone, kneeling, and standing positions with and without night observation devices, and understands the mission two levels up (squad and platoon). B = Baker Immediately assumes the role of gunner if the gunner is unable to continue his duties. Centaur 30 - Charlie 'Chuck' Johnson - Aero Rifle/Slicks Platoon Leader/Aircraft Commander - May '68/Jun '68, Centaur 37 - Joe Bridges - Aero Rifle/Slicks Platoon Pilot/Aircraft Commander Be able to provide suppressive fire on these targets so his teammates can close with and destroy the enemy. I'm a 1PLT PL and we use 1-6. Military communications are Mosenthal5 Oct 2011 Special thanks to Jay Weinstein,Claude Berghorn, Frederic Blais and JeffHaines. Callsigns attached to a specific role are permanent for that role. M = Mike. CENTAUR 6John J. Spencer, MAJ F Troop CDR Feb 1972-Aug 1972 CENTAUR 12Joe K. Owen, 1LT Scout PLT LDR/Aerorifle PLT CDR Feb 1968-Feb 1969 Understands the mission and commanders intent two levels up (platoon and company). The following are standard callsigns assigned to Infantry units and roles within an Infantry force. CENTAUR 20AP Fight as part of his unit, which includes proficiency in his individual tasks and drills. CENTAUR 31John Mackey, CPT Cobra Pilot Gun PLT LDR 1972 He sets the example in everything. Prepares to assume the role and responsibilities of the platoon leader. CENTAUR 11Charles Charlie Rice, 1LT OH-6A SEC LDR Jan 1968-Jan 1969 CENTAUR 14Ronald Ron A. Radcliffe, CPT OH-6A Pilot Sep 1971- Jun 1972 If two or more squads of the same type are present, each squad gets a number suffixed to their callsign, e.g. CENTAUR 10Roman Millett, CPT Gun/Scout PLT LDR, & XO Jan 1970-Dec 1970 Is responsible for his assistant gunner and all the gun equipment. We never did the "Pinks" and "Blues" thing. CENTAUR 50Jeffery T. "Jeff" Griffin, CW2 AH-1G Pilot 1971-1972 CENTAUR 50Thomas William Olsson, CW2 AH-1G Pilot Oct 69-Oct 1970 The platoon leader leads his Soldiers by personal example and is responsible for all the platoon does or fails to do, having complete authority over his subordinates. Controls fires and establishes fire control measures. Coordinates directly with the platoon leader in placement of the Javelin-CCMS to best cover armored avenues of approach in the defense and overwatch positions in the attack. Important:the first time in any deployment that two callsigns exchange a transmission, the full callsign is always used. 1-59. Rick Williams was C21 in 68. In addition to what the other people here have said, I'd like to add something. In my mortar platoon, the LT was 81-Actual, PltSgt was Bravo. CENTAUR 15Steven C. Suiter, 1LT OH-6A Pilot 1971-1972 CENTAUR 13Erik G. Brethen, CW2 OH-6A/AH-1G Pilot IP/Test Pilot May 1969-Dec 1970 The gunner is normally the senior member of the medium machine gun team. CENTAUR 52Erik G. Brethen, CW2, AH-1G Feb 70 until DEROS I started in 1998 with a basic list that I pulled off of the web. Enforces field discipline while the gun team is employed tactically. Dan Keirsey, 1LT UH-1H Slick Pilot 1972-1973 Centaur 5 - Harold Fisher - Troop Executive Officer CENTAUR 27Kenneth H. Rucki, CW2 UH-1H Slick Pilot Aug 1969-Aug 1970 Furthermore, you can find the Troubleshooting Seems like there had to be some official format for assigning call signs; and that it should have been recorded in Flight Opns. Dow 2 Oct 2011 "ALPHA" is dropped because both elements carry the same callsign. Under the fluid conditions of close combat, he accomplishes assigned missions using initiative without needing constant guidance from higher headquarters. Assists the weapons squad leader and is prepared to assume his responsibilities. Conducts radio checks with higher according to unit standard operating procedures when in a static position. 2019-2023. CENTAUR 36Bill Wilde, MAJ HVY WPS SEC LDR, OPS OFF/Aerorifle PLT CDR 1966-1967 746th Tank Battalion: Campus Blue Famously, one video featured a Spetznaz unit with the callsign "Juliette", and another famous video had such a unit with the callsign "Tango". Tactical call signs are often assigned to a company sized unit or higher. STABLE BOYClarence "Buck" Buxton, 1LT Service PLT LDR 1967 CENTAUR 18Roger Blaha, 1st L OH-6A Pilot 1971-1972 Obtains ammunition from other Soldiers who are carrying 7.62-mm machine gun ammunition. The automatic riflemans primary weapon is currently the 5.56-mm M249 light machine gun. LT Dale Dow C-35 31 Jan 9 Aug 68 Picture taken at Gressenich in November 1944. At one time I had two squad leaders named 'Jones', so I refered to them as 31 Jones and 33 Jones 31 was a Sgt. Centaur 40 - Charlie 'Chuck' Johnson - Aero Weapons/HOGS Section Leader - Nov '67/May '68 Knows weapon effects, surface danger zones. When then-president George W. Bush, a former Air National Guard fighter pilot, was flown to the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln in a Navy S-3B Viking, it was the first use of the "Navy One" call sign. CENTAUR 13Thomas M "Sam" Dooling, CW2 AH-1G/OH-6A Pilot Jan 1969-Aug 1970 Most players in the squad do not have a callsign, anyway. Obstacle plans. Checks with weapons squad leader controlling the emplacement of key weapon systems. S-5 = Executive Officer CENTAUR 4Thomas Fleming, CPT Service PLT LDR "Stable Boy" Feb 1967-Aug 1967 His expertise includes tactical maneuver, employment of weapons and systems, sustainment, administration, security, accountability, protection warfighting functions, and Soldier care. Standardization allows identifying the type or role of an aircraft immediately by its callsign: If two or more aircraft belong to the same type or group, each receives a number suffixed to its callsign. One = 1st Platoon He is responsible for the care of the squads Soldiers, weapons, and equipment, and leads the squad through two team leaders. The team leader leads his team members by personal example and has authority over his subordinates and overall responsibility of their actions. CENTAUR 43James R. Rick Arthur, CW2 UH-1C Pilot Mar 1967-Mar 1968 In UNITAF Callsigns are assigned to Platoons or to Companies. I am not sure but it may have been the call sign for Night hawk leader. Additional callsigns also exist that are used more rarely, and may or may not have a fixed meaning from mission to mission. CENTAUR 12Bruce Powell, CPT OH-23 Scout/AH-1G Pilot Feb 1967-Aug 1968 When I went to hogs, I was C43. WebIs an expert in radio procedures, report formats such as close combat attack, (see Figure 1-6), call for indirect fire (see Figure 1-7) or medical evacuation, (see Table 7-1a) plus is an expert on types of field expedient antennas. Earlier systems used a series of appointment titles to identify users and individuals, "Sunray", for instance, referring to the appropriate leader. Jim Moore, KIA March 68, was C20. Delvy was a Major for only about a month before he DEROSed. They are there to seize a piece of land and cause as much carnage as possible, then leave once the army gets there Wish I had known him we shared a common callsign at the time. Squad designated marksmen (SDM) are not squad snipers. Fleming 2 Oct 2011 CENTAUR 16Wesley Franklin Frank Walker, 1LT OH-6A Pilot 1972 Have the frequencies and call signs on his person in a location known to all Soldiers in the platoon. CENTAUR 11Edward P. "Ed" Shanahan, CPT OH-6A Pilot 1970-1971 CENTAUR 31B AP Tom Noss, CW2 OH-6A Pilot 1971-1972 Fixed call signs for the United States Air Force stations begin with A, such as AIR, used by USAF Headquarters. E = Easy Task Organization: States how the unit is organized for the operation and gives who is the main effort. Third, he determines the critical actions and events occurring to move his unit from the present to the end state. Pre-BATCO systems used a series of appointment titles to identify users and individuals, "Sunray", for instance, referring to the appropriate leader. During tactical radio communications, from Squad networks and above, names of personnel are never used in communications, callsigns are used instead. Callsigns are assigned to units before the mission begins. CENTAUR 3A-Roger G. Martin, CW2 UH-1 Slick Pilot/Asst OPS OFF Jun 1969-Jun 1970 CENTAUR 44Richard Spalding, CW2 AH-1G Pilot/AC 1969CENTAUR 45Clay Maxwell, CW2 AH-1G Pilot/AC 1967-1968 (per SQD Log 12-13-1968) Alphabet-based callsigns for non-infantry units may or may not change. Is the subject matter expert for all the teams weapons and duty positions and all squad battle drills. Instead, letter designations are randomly assigned using BATCO sheets, and appear on CEIs (communication electronic instructions), and change along with the BATCO codes every 24 hours. Centaur 38 - Mike Banks - Aero Rifle/Slicks Pilot/Aircraft Commander G = George CENTAUR 18Edward W. Ed Wolfe, CW2 OH-6A Pilot Nov 1970-May 1971CENTAUR 18Thomas Broadbent, CW2 OH-6A Pilot May 1971-Jun 1971 CENTAUR 25John Evans, 1LT OH-6A Pilot 1969 1-47. Deployment ORBATs in UNITAF have callsigns which are assigned by the deployments Field Leader, callsigns come from a pre-approved callsign list. So "Hunter 2-1 Actual" (as in the Call of Duty franchise) would be inaccurate? The name is assigned to a unit on a semi-permanent basis; they change only when the U.S. Department of Defense goes to DEFCON 3. WebInfantry Platoon Tactical Standing Operating Procedure This publication is an extract from FM 7-8 Infantry Rifle Platoon and Squad. This centralized authority enables him to maintain unit discipline, unity, and to act decisively. UH-1D Slick Pilot [images show WO1] 1967-1968,BR/> Provide your input to Michael Peake (Unit Historian) see recent comments - & additional comments: 1966-67, If that occurs, the callsign may be reassigned to a new unit created to replace the original one. 610th Tank Destroyer Bn (Towed): Nuisance Please contact me for any additions or corrections to this page. Is the subject matter expert (SME) on all battle and individual drills? Two Slick platoon consisted of 10 helicopters each which inserted, transported, and extracted troops. He must know how to employ each type of round and know its minimum safety constraints. CENTAUR 5Harold Reid Fisher, CPT Aerorifles PLT CDR/D Troop XO Jan 1967-Dec 1967 Dow and Mosenthal can give us that of the Aerorifle Platoon. LT Andrew Gerrie C -35 ??? During operations, the team leader , 1-57. and did the Assistant Opns Officer have a call sign (Prilliman). a. CENTAUR 47Kenneth Lee "Strange Strand" Strand, CW2 AH-1G & OH-6A Pilot 1969-1970 It gets confusing I know. However, the platoon sergeant traditionally . Completely non-standard Callsigns are also occasionally encountered in ShackTac. "Checkmate 6" is the Company Commander and "Checkmate 6 Romeo" is the commander's radio-telephone operator (Romeo the NATO phonetic of the letter R). Special Forces squads typically receive the callsign Romeo (for "Recon"), though they can technically have any callsign letter. CENTAUR 47Marcus A. Kempson, CW2 UH-1H/Nighthawk Pilot 1969-1970 CENTAUR 6James M. "Col. Pete" Peterson, MAJ D Troop CDR Apr 1966-Mar 1967 CENTAUR 12Billy R. Vinson, MAJ Gun PLT LDR, OPS OFF and D Troop XO 1967-1968 1-62. Call Sign Nutty for the attached 709th Ordnance Company. After doing some research, I was able to find several of the call signs that were used by the 9th Infantry Division. CENTAUR 47Walter Russ Miller, Jr., CPT AH-1G Pilot/Blues PLT LDR Nov 1971-Nov 1972 CENTAUR 56Paul V. Martindale, CPT AH-1G Pilot Nov 1971-Apr 1972, KIA 28 April 1972 (per Info Sheet) It has always been very confusing, both the Call Signs and the Section and Platoon names. A Platoon leader gives a short briefing to his platoon. CENTAUR 26Robert "Bob" Dunbar, CW2 UH-1C Pilot Mar 1966-Apr 1967 Altenhofen Oct 2011 Be able to accomplish all tasks of the rifleman and grenadier. The rifleman is an expert in handling and employing the weapon and placing well-aimed fire on the enemy. Though a player may be addressed by their nickname under some circumstances (mostly by someone within their unit), Callsigns are used almost exclusively in all Radio communications. He must be able to execute the entire range of individual and collective rifleman tasks within the squad. Close combat attack brief format. CENTAUR 5Roman Millett, CPT Gun/Scout PLT LDR, & XO Jan 1970-Dec 1970 ), 1-66. If they are on a higher net they would include the Troop callsign before the platoon, so it would be something like "Apache white one" on the squadron net. 1-63. The callsign ACTUALis used when the transmitting station wishes to speak to the commander of that callsign. Eastes to Peake 4 Nov 2020 I can add a couple if you wish. SAM 28000, one of the two VC-25s used as Air Force One, flying over Mount Rushmore in February 2001. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Leader = Leader. Tactical voice communications ("combat net radio") use a system of call signs of the form letter-digit-digit. Jones to Peake Additionally, Lt. Marty Jenkins was Centaur 14 just before I came to the unit. Weba. On a company tac it would just be your: "company call sign - platoon number - squad#", So the plt commander would identify himself as "Company cs, plt #, actual". All I remember when I arrived in Feb67, was Cpt Sanders saying he was C-11 and I was assigned C-17. Is prepared to assume the duties of the automatic weapons gunner and team leader. WebCall Signs War Stories Centaur Call Signs update Sep 2022 When Centaurs communicated on the radio, they used the word "Centaur" and a number to identiy themselves. 33 was a Sp4. (Refer to FM 3-22.9 for more information. When Centaurs communicated on the radio, they used the word "Centaur" and a number to identiy themselves.Provide your input to Michael Peake (Unit Historian) , see recent comments - & additional comments: 1966-67, 1968-69, 1970-71, 1972, CENTAUR 3Robert Graham, MAJ UH-1C Pilot & OPS OFF Apr 1966-Feb 1967 The USAF also uses semi-fixed identifiers consisting of a name followed by a two or three digit number. In wartime, communications between Divisions, Battalions and Companies had to be done by using so called Call Signs. Centaur 43 - Pat 'Joaquin' Eastes - Aero Weapons/HOGS Pilot/Aircraft Commander Typically, the second-in-command will be 8, forward air controllers, observers or medics can be 7, 6 and so on. The white and yellow tail markings designated the platoon so the troops would have an easy way to Military Life One of the honors associated with achieving a certain rank or position in the military is the replacement of your actual name with a call sign. Status to the PL (including squad location and progress, enemy situation, enemy killed in action [KIA], and security posture). However they may instead receive whatever the next so-far-unused letter is, ending up with squads called "Echo", "Fox", "Golf", etc. During operations, the squad leader . It lays down a base of sustained fire and is used routinely in both mounted and dismounted configurations. May also be used for additional squads in a reinforced platoon, CENTAUR 10Larry Wilkerson was Centaur 10 mid 69 to mid 70 Feb 1967- Sept 1968. Non-standard callsigns are rarer, and typically reserved for Reinforcements and/or Special Forces. 40 always seemed to be the Section Leader of the Hogs, so I had assumed the Baby Scout leader was 10. The assignment of Company or Platoon headquarters staff works in reverse from the number 9, where 9 is the commander of that callsign. Fleming to Powell 1 Oct 2011 34th Field Artillery Battalion: Normal Centaur 36 - Mike Siegel - Aero Rifle/Slicks Pilot/Aircraft Commander/Slicks IP - * '67 * '68 The call sign tradition is celebrated by aviation communities across all military branches. Callsigns are assigned to two different kinds of things: Most Callsigns are "standardized", being assigned to the same units / individuals in each mission. CENTAUR 46Terry W. Branham, 1LT AH-1G Pilot Dec 1969-Nov 1970 A simple example of how this works is outlined below. CENTAUR 38Michael R. Banks, CW2 UH-1D Slick Pilot Jul 1966-Jul 1967 Close with and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat. CENTAUR 46Ted A. Pitcher, WO1 AH-1G Pilot 1968-1969 When a Platoon is assigned a callsign, all subordinate elements of the Platoon also adopt that callsign. Maybe Collins can help us out with the Call Sign structure of the LRRPs. Powell to Fleming Sep 2011 CENTAUR 39James W. Jim Filiatreault, CW2 UH-1H Slick Pilot Mar 1968-Mar 1969 Titles such as "Sunray" and (Sunray) Minor are still used. CENTAUR 32 AP Delvy was Gun Platoon leader possibly as Centaur 10. CENTAUR 57Ray Stanton, CW2 AH-1G Pilot, 1970-71 CENTAUR 34B Alternatively, the sender may add "this is" before stating their own callsign, though most Shackers get used to omitting these works. The PL is 1, senior scout (alpha section SGT) is 2, most junior TC is 3, PSG is 4, bravo section Sgt Selects the fire teams general location and temporary sector of fires in the defense. I do recall that the slick section commander was always Centaur 36 in my day Cpt Wilde and later Cpt Fisher (I was C-35 as the ground platoon leader). CENTAUR 41Paul V. Martindale, CPT AH-1G Pilot Nov 1971-Apr 1972, KIA 28 April 1972 (per 1972 letter) CENTAUR 42 Peake 4 Nov 2020 I can add a couple if you wish flying over Mount Rushmore in 2001. 1Plt PL and we use 1-6 important: the first time in any that. 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