3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. April 23, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. March 22, 2005 October 18, 2008 In the early 1900's, Park Island Amusement Park offered roller skating, dancing, picnic areas, a penny arcade, Thriller roller coaster, swimming, and power boat tours of the seventeen hundred acres of beautiful Lake Orion. July 31, 2002 I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. 1968 World Series Team Detroit Tigers MICKEY LOLICH DENNY MCLAIN Signed Ball. Fattest guy ever to grace a Mets uniform Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. How much they adore them! Lolich was giving one of his typical awful performances in a Mets uniform. Bartolo Colon etc). Raymond Malcuit You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". December 8, 2006 Shari November 28, 2001 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. September 24, 2005 October 4, 2005 C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. See the article in its original context from. October 19, 2011 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. After one year in New York Lolich retired. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. No contest. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. October 13, 2008 He later resurfaced with the Padres. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. body would be a pretty slender person. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. That's more realistic but generous, I think! - Now for the trade itself. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk. March 5, 2006 - Now for the trade itself. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. mets He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. April 30, 2009 March 2, 2003 April 27, 2013 Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Joe But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. June 30, 2019 Dianna Jeanneh Jones He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. senor ortiz December 13, 2007 NYB Buff October 19, 2011 Peter Shari The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. August 7, 2002 Michael December 20, 2019 I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. April 24, 2003 John Bruce November 12, 2006 Cut him some slack. 6'1", 170???? I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. Randy Tate In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. August 18, 2001 McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. eddiek Shickhaus Franks We are going all the way!" June 2, 2006 Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. March 2, 2003 But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Jim Snedeker But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Jamey Bumbalo However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. May 8, 2003 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. May 7, 2013 Yes, Mickey had some great years with the Tigers, no disrespect to him, but acquiring him at the cost of Rusty was one of the Mets' top three bonehead trades. Jay Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Michael June 30, 2019 June 30, 2019 June 30, 2019 As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Shari Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. eddiek Cut him some slack. April 24, 2003 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. December 20, 2019 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. August 7, 2002 And complaining about how fat he was? feat fan As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. September 29, 2007 I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. And complaining about how fat he was? Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Jim Snedeker Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. John Bruce bob saunders John Bruce Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. November 3, 2006 =Chuck= Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Lolich: Still a sweet delivery to the plate. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. October 18, 2008 Tigers Mickey Lolich signed Jersey WCOA. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. 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